# What do you think?
Author: deia

I read in a brazilian forum about a brazilian woman, 28 y.o, 2 children (she doesn't talk about the father), lived here 86 to 93 legally with her mother who is married with a swedish man (today they live in Brasil), she married with a spanish man to try to get the visa to live in Europe (she declarates that), she coulnd't get the visa in Spain, she's living and working there for 5 years ilegally.

Now, she is going to divorce and heard from her mother about being better/easier to live with children in Sweden because of the contributions from the State to support her children and she's trying to find out how to get that.

Is it ok that she comes to live and to be supported by the society here??? Is it ok to recieve this kind of people who marry to get visa, don't respect the laws of a country, choose a country for getting support???

## Comment 1
Author: precis

I want to know what is your point exactly? "Svenska avundsjukan"?  
as long as she seems to be working, she could be a contribution to society.  
And as far as I know countries like Spain and Italy sometimes have amnesties for illegal aliens, that can prove that they have been living in the same place a couple of years and having a steady job and that their children are going to a school.  
  
And sweden have a lot of space and money, so it could be a good contribution to our country. (there are very few people per kvadratmeter)  
  
And people in that category: single mother with children, is using almost all of their socialbidrag, barnbidrag, bostadsbidrag to spend of food, clothes and so on, so most of that money will spin around in our economic system and workers in the shops will pay a large percent of their salary as tax and so on...  
  
There are always need for workers that do the low income jobs in any system, because european people are very bortskämda nuförtiden and will rather re-educate themselves for many years to be molecular chemist, marine biologist, or any other career that they will not find proper employment in... instead of for example cleaning a school or cooking burgers at McD

## Comment 2
Author: deia

Precis

To work ilegally without paying taxes can't be contribution to the society.

A big quantity of people without quality is not a good idea.

I see that they arrive here, delay 2, 3, 4 years pretending to learn the language and don't work while they 'study'...

But, anyway, my point is to know what swedish people think, try to understand, only this. My intention was not to start a debate because I've been very busy, without free time enough to really participate.

Thanks for answering.

## Comment 3
Author: Ida

I don´t think she will gain a fortune living here with two kids just recieving "barnbidrag".

## Comment 4
Author: precis

#2 I didn't mean that working illegaly is contributing. I meant that she would spend her income at Ica or Konsum, and make contribution by that way.  
And of course any company one works for (legally or illegally) must make money and spend it by some legal ways too. ( a partly illegal business is really worth a little bit more to any economic structure than if everyone just sat on their ass and waited for fat sparrows to come flying into your open mouth... )  
  
And if she came to Sweden and tried living only on welfare/bidrag she would need at least a part time job, and make her (direct or indirect) contribution here instead of in spain...  
  
I know that you asked because you wanted to know the general opinion. But it seems like very few will want to comment ?  
  
(When you write a question on a internet forum, you don't have to sit and wait for answers :) it will sometimes take a week before someone else sees your topic, and as long as you started it, i hope it will make some other people think, whether you have time to come back and check the responses or not :) )